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		<title>By: Christophe Desmecht</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15324</link>
		<author>Christophe Desmecht</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Many of the greatest pieces of literature were written in times when no such degrees existed.  That doesn't mean they can't help.  Like Randy said, any form of education can help you specialize in an area, which then gives you a bigger pool of inspiration you can dip into when writing your story.  While I don't think you have to be expert on the science/theorics of your novel, you do (I feel) have to be an expert on your backstory.  That is most important of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the greatest pieces of literature were written in times when no such degrees existed.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t help.  Like Randy said, any form of education can help you specialize in an area, which then gives you a bigger pool of inspiration you can dip into when writing your story.  While I don&#8217;t think you have to be expert on the science/theorics of your novel, you do (I feel) have to be an expert on your backstory.  That is most important of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pike</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15326</link>
		<author>Andrew Pike</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is an excellent quick discussion on the topic of the usefulness of degrees.

I have an English degree myself, and it has been a long arduous journey, and at many points during and after I've asked myself "what is the POINT of this?"

As Randy mentions, you don't have to justify your degree to anyone, and you will pick up valuable skills that will help you out down the line. For me, I thrived writing essays and I got in the habit of documenting thoughts very thoroughly. This has lent itself over nicely to creating documents containing background information (like character documents, theme documents, etc.)

Getting a degree is an epic journey in itself, one in which you will probably change as a person. As Randy suggests: if you want something bad enough, you'll find a way to make it happen. What I think you need to do, Daniel, is to measure your priorities and determine what you want more right now; the degree, or the novel?

In my case, I have delayed work on a novel series due to studies (now completed), and I have to say that if you are set on writing a novel and you have ideas for that, the last thing you want to do is become a full-time student because it will take ALL your time from your writing. It's not really feasible, unless you're a workaholic, and even then it seems to me like it would be difficult.

A degree may benefit you, yes, but to be honest save the satisfaction you'll get from finishing a degree, you can learn everything you need without paying an institution. Sites like this one will teach you the hands-on approach you need, and ultimately you will learn your own tricks from reading canonical works of literature (the kind of thing you'd be doing in an arts degree anyway).

Ultimately I would say yes, there is value in getting a degree, but IMO you should only do it when you are ready and it is your top priority in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent quick discussion on the topic of the usefulness of degrees.</p>
<p>I have an English degree myself, and it has been a long arduous journey, and at many points during and after I&#8217;ve asked myself &#8220;what is the POINT of this?&#8221;</p>
<p>As Randy mentions, you don&#8217;t have to justify your degree to anyone, and you will pick up valuable skills that will help you out down the line. For me, I thrived writing essays and I got in the habit of documenting thoughts very thoroughly. This has lent itself over nicely to creating documents containing background information (like character documents, theme documents, etc.)</p>
<p>Getting a degree is an epic journey in itself, one in which you will probably change as a person. As Randy suggests: if you want something bad enough, you&#8217;ll find a way to make it happen. What I think you need to do, Daniel, is to measure your priorities and determine what you want more right now; the degree, or the novel?</p>
<p>In my case, I have delayed work on a novel series due to studies (now completed), and I have to say that if you are set on writing a novel and you have ideas for that, the last thing you want to do is become a full-time student because it will take ALL your time from your writing. It&#8217;s not really feasible, unless you&#8217;re a workaholic, and even then it seems to me like it would be difficult.</p>
<p>A degree may benefit you, yes, but to be honest save the satisfaction you&#8217;ll get from finishing a degree, you can learn everything you need without paying an institution. Sites like this one will teach you the hands-on approach you need, and ultimately you will learn your own tricks from reading canonical works of literature (the kind of thing you&#8217;d be doing in an arts degree anyway).</p>
<p>Ultimately I would say yes, there is value in getting a degree, but IMO you should only do it when you are ready and it is your top priority in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Val Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15327</link>
		<author>Val Clark</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have a Masters in Creative writing. Like you said, Randy, it was biased towards lit fic, and I don't write lit fic. After the Masters I  moved states, joined a writers' centre and became a workshop junkie, and belonged to two critique groups, that's where I developed my craft over the next 10 years. Still, even then, I knew something was missing and that's when I discovered Margie Lawson's lecture notes....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Masters in Creative writing. Like you said, Randy, it was biased towards lit fic, and I don&#8217;t write lit fic. After the Masters I  moved states, joined a writers&#8217; centre and became a workshop junkie, and belonged to two critique groups, that&#8217;s where I developed my craft over the next 10 years. Still, even then, I knew something was missing and that&#8217;s when I discovered Margie Lawson&#8217;s lecture notes&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryAnn Diorio</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15332</link>
		<author>MaryAnn Diorio</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi, Randym

I enjoyed reading your post about writing degrees and concur with you that whether or not to pursue a degree in writing depends on one's goals.

I currently am in a unique program pursuing the MFA in Writing Popular Fiction at Seton Hill University. To my knowledge, this is the only program of its kind in that it focuses on the writing of commercial genre fiction.

There is a short residency held twice a year. Unlike most other writing degree programs, this one provides training not only in the writing of popular fiction but also in the marketing of it.  Well-known novelists, agents, and publishers are invited to campus during residencies, and students are given the opportunity to pitch their work.

During the program, students are required to write a novel as their master's thesis.  We also have the benefit of one-on-one mentoring with a published novelist/instructor.  

One of the features I like most about the program is that it is not theoretical but hands-on and based in the realities of the current publishing industry. Instructors are closely involved with the publishing  industry and bring their expertise to the classroom.

As you said, no education is wasted. The two doctorates I've earned, the Ph.D.  in French and Comparative Literature and the D.Min. in Christian Counseling, have served me well not only in writing fiction but also in daily life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Randym</p>
<p>I enjoyed reading your post about writing degrees and concur with you that whether or not to pursue a degree in writing depends on one&#8217;s goals.</p>
<p>I currently am in a unique program pursuing the MFA in Writing Popular Fiction at Seton Hill University. To my knowledge, this is the only program of its kind in that it focuses on the writing of commercial genre fiction.</p>
<p>There is a short residency held twice a year. Unlike most other writing degree programs, this one provides training not only in the writing of popular fiction but also in the marketing of it.  Well-known novelists, agents, and publishers are invited to campus during residencies, and students are given the opportunity to pitch their work.</p>
<p>During the program, students are required to write a novel as their master&#8217;s thesis.  We also have the benefit of one-on-one mentoring with a published novelist/instructor.  </p>
<p>One of the features I like most about the program is that it is not theoretical but hands-on and based in the realities of the current publishing industry. Instructors are closely involved with the publishing  industry and bring their expertise to the classroom.</p>
<p>As you said, no education is wasted. The two doctorates I&#8217;ve earned, the Ph.D.  in French and Comparative Literature and the D.Min. in Christian Counseling, have served me well not only in writing fiction but also in daily life.</p>
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		<title>By: Davalynn Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15335</link>
		<author>Davalynn Spencer</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Coming from an educational background (BA education, MFA Creative Writing) I agree with Randy that a degree, any degree, is never a waste. Education is about learning how to learn, and those skills cross over into other areas of life. An associate degree or BA is not going to cost you what a Masters will, so I would encourage you to go for them in a field that you are passionate about. I acquired my MFA for three reasons: so I would be qualified to teach at a college level; to finish my middle-grade novel; and to bump myself over on the pay scale where I was teaching at the time. I learned quite a bit from my MFA instructors, however, I have learned more from conferences, workshops and writers' blogs - particularly this one - than I did from the MFA program. I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from an educational background (BA education, MFA Creative Writing) I agree with Randy that a degree, any degree, is never a waste. Education is about learning how to learn, and those skills cross over into other areas of life. An associate degree or BA is not going to cost you what a Masters will, so I would encourage you to go for them in a field that you are passionate about. I acquired my MFA for three reasons: so I would be qualified to teach at a college level; to finish my middle-grade novel; and to bump myself over on the pay scale where I was teaching at the time. I learned quite a bit from my MFA instructors, however, I have learned more from conferences, workshops and writers&#8217; blogs - particularly this one - than I did from the MFA program. I</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15350</link>
		<author>Jessica Thomas</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd like to pursue an MFA in creative writing some day simply because I'd like to possibly teach creative writing at a university some day.  That's really the main reason.  I think I can improve my craft without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to pursue an MFA in creative writing some day simply because I&#8217;d like to possibly teach creative writing at a university some day.  That&#8217;s really the main reason.  I think I can improve my craft without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15376</link>
		<author>Mary Potter</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 23:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with Randy -- no degree is a waste of time and money. However, depending on where you are in your life, it can be a tremendous financial and time commitment.

To improve your novel writing skills, I highly recommend attending writing conferences, taking a fiction writing course at the nearest community college, researching local and national writing organizations, reading magazines and blogs related to writing, checking out books from the library about writing fiction, researching workshops and presentations by authors like Randy, etc.

If you want the degree -- go for it. But be aware that there are other avenues to acquire the information you seek to write your best novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Randy &#8212; no degree is a waste of time and money. However, depending on where you are in your life, it can be a tremendous financial and time commitment.</p>
<p>To improve your novel writing skills, I highly recommend attending writing conferences, taking a fiction writing course at the nearest community college, researching local and national writing organizations, reading magazines and blogs related to writing, checking out books from the library about writing fiction, researching workshops and presentations by authors like Randy, etc.</p>
<p>If you want the degree &#8212; go for it. But be aware that there are other avenues to acquire the information you seek to write your best novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Tami Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15402</link>
		<author>Tami Meyers</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I went to college a number of years ago with Business Administration as my major. Twelve years later my husband and I started a business and I found that not one of the things they taught me in class ever helped us start or run the business successfully for 18 years.

Now I've begun writing and find that the typing class (yes, on actual typewriters) I took has been most helpful. I guess you're right, Randy, there's not such thing as a useless degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to college a number of years ago with Business Administration as my major. Twelve years later my husband and I started a business and I found that not one of the things they taught me in class ever helped us start or run the business successfully for 18 years.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve begun writing and find that the typing class (yes, on actual typewriters) I took has been most helpful. I guess you&#8217;re right, Randy, there&#8217;s not such thing as a useless degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Pike</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15439</link>
		<author>Andrew Pike</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 02:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tami: Is your last statement meant to be sarcastic?

Indeed, I found that a typing class I did in college was by far the best thing I've ever done from a writer's perspective. Ironically they don't have typing classes required in the BA programs at the university I went to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tami: Is your last statement meant to be sarcastic?</p>
<p>Indeed, I found that a typing class I did in college was by far the best thing I&#8217;ve ever done from a writer&#8217;s perspective. Ironically they don&#8217;t have typing classes required in the BA programs at the university I went to.</p>
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		<title>By: Obinna Ozoigbo</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15455</link>
		<author>Obinna Ozoigbo</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Charles Dickens, England's most popular author (I don't know if J. K. Rowling now is), never had a degree in Creative Writing, or so I guess. A Tale of Two Cities (1859) is still No.1 in the list of single-volume books that have sold over a million copies worldwide. 

Randy, on the other hand, does not have the degree, either. So, I do not think it's necessary. But if you have both time and money for it, why not? Personally, as a writer, I desire it. One can never tell. For example, Randy has explained to us how his educational background (which, of course, comprises both his pre-doctoral and post-doctoral experiences) has proven helpful in his writing career, instead of a creative-writing degree.

But I repeat: I would like to earn one, nevertheless. You never know how and when it will come in handy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Dickens, England&#8217;s most popular author (I don&#8217;t know if J. K. Rowling now is), never had a degree in Creative Writing, or so I guess. A Tale of Two Cities (1859) is still No.1 in the list of single-volume books that have sold over a million copies worldwide. </p>
<p>Randy, on the other hand, does not have the degree, either. So, I do not think it&#8217;s necessary. But if you have both time and money for it, why not? Personally, as a writer, I desire it. One can never tell. For example, Randy has explained to us how his educational background (which, of course, comprises both his pre-doctoral and post-doctoral experiences) has proven helpful in his writing career, instead of a creative-writing degree.</p>
<p>But I repeat: I would like to earn one, nevertheless. You never know how and when it will come in handy.</p>
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		<title>By: Obinna Ozoigbo</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15456</link>
		<author>Obinna Ozoigbo</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry, not ". . . over a million copies . . ." 

It is ". . . over a hundred million copies . . ."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not &#8220;. . . over a million copies . . .&#8221; </p>
<p>It is &#8220;. . . over a hundred million copies . . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Thayer</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-15465</link>
		<author>James Thayer</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Writers might consider taking a certificate course, such as the one offered in popular fiction writing at the University of Washington extension school.  Many university extension schools have such courses.  The UW course involves three quarters, with about 95 hours of class time, and costs about $2,000.  In addition to learning about the craft and meeting like-minded people, there's another benefit, and that's when trying to get an agent.  In the resume sentence or paragraph of your query letter, you would mention that you have earned a certificate in a one-year creative writing class.  This tells the agent you are serious about writing, and it might be enough to have him ask to see your manuscript.  Anything that makes a writer stand out from the 30 or 40 other queries most agents receive each day is worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writers might consider taking a certificate course, such as the one offered in popular fiction writing at the University of Washington extension school.  Many university extension schools have such courses.  The UW course involves three quarters, with about 95 hours of class time, and costs about $2,000.  In addition to learning about the craft and meeting like-minded people, there&#8217;s another benefit, and that&#8217;s when trying to get an agent.  In the resume sentence or paragraph of your query letter, you would mention that you have earned a certificate in a one-year creative writing class.  This tells the agent you are serious about writing, and it might be enough to have him ask to see your manuscript.  Anything that makes a writer stand out from the 30 or 40 other queries most agents receive each day is worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/12/29/should-you-get-a-degree-in-creative-writing/#comment-16493</link>
		<author>zach</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't think a degree in creative writing is necessary although I'm sure it will help your writing. I think the most important thing is practice and review. That's why collaborative writing is so important. The internet is a great place to write collaboratively with others and you can join in easily at &lt;a href='http://writeintheclouds.org' rel="nofollow"&gt;Write in the Clouds&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think a degree in creative writing is necessary although I&#8217;m sure it will help your writing. I think the most important thing is practice and review. That&#8217;s why collaborative writing is so important. The internet is a great place to write collaboratively with others and you can join in easily at <a href='http://writeintheclouds.org' rel="nofollow">Write in the Clouds</a></p>
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