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		<title>By: Ray Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-10982</link>
		<author>Ray Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that the "have to quit when you get married" rule gives the opportunity to add a conflict and subplot to the story.  First thing that came to my mind was to have the mc hide her marriage, which adds a couple levels of conflict and tension.  In one, she has to keep her marriage from being uncovered.  In the other, she not only must she keep the marriage a secret, but she must also be very discrete in her relationship with her husband, as (if I recall correctly) schoolteachers back in those days had to be above reproach in their behavior and reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the &#8220;have to quit when you get married&#8221; rule gives the opportunity to add a conflict and subplot to the story.  First thing that came to my mind was to have the mc hide her marriage, which adds a couple levels of conflict and tension.  In one, she has to keep her marriage from being uncovered.  In the other, she not only must she keep the marriage a secret, but she must also be very discrete in her relationship with her husband, as (if I recall correctly) schoolteachers back in those days had to be above reproach in their behavior and reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-10984</link>
		<author>Luke</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with Randy.  Don't ignore the law, since you know about it.  But if you do ignore the law, don't do yourself the potential diservice of ignoring what would have been the social norms at the time.  

Yes, the reader of your historical romance may not know that there was a law, and it may never come out that there was one.  But they are sure to know that a teacher (which was the domicile of conservatives back in those days) would have been expected to quit after marriage.  

In addition to the legal battle mentioned by Randy, think about the character battles it creates.  Mother giving daughter unwanted advice.  Love interest feeling scorned by her commitment to teaching. Not to mention the school may not want to support her out of fear that it's reputation will be besmirched. After all, it's certainly not that type of school;).  

It can also help you add depth to your characters.  How your characters interact based on her actions says something about their values and beliefs.  If your story is character-driven don't pass up this valuable opportunity to explore their psyche, surroundings and how they interact with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Randy.  Don&#8217;t ignore the law, since you know about it.  But if you do ignore the law, don&#8217;t do yourself the potential diservice of ignoring what would have been the social norms at the time.  </p>
<p>Yes, the reader of your historical romance may not know that there was a law, and it may never come out that there was one.  But they are sure to know that a teacher (which was the domicile of conservatives back in those days) would have been expected to quit after marriage.  </p>
<p>In addition to the legal battle mentioned by Randy, think about the character battles it creates.  Mother giving daughter unwanted advice.  Love interest feeling scorned by her commitment to teaching. Not to mention the school may not want to support her out of fear that it&#8217;s reputation will be besmirched. After all, it&#8217;s certainly not that type of school;).  </p>
<p>It can also help you add depth to your characters.  How your characters interact based on her actions says something about their values and beliefs.  If your story is character-driven don&#8217;t pass up this valuable opportunity to explore their psyche, surroundings and how they interact with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-10985</link>
		<author>Andrew</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Regarding Micky's questions, I would have to agree absolutely with Randy. History fiction is a genre where readers will expect storyline to fall within the boundaries of conventions of the time.

To have a marriage with a woman teacher existing in the 1920s-50s time period without any recognition of the fact that no such marriages were permitted to exist is a disaster waiting to happen. The initial violation might seem negligible, but imagine if your novel began to gain some popularity, and then someone called you on your facts? It could potentially ruin your career.

I'm not afraid to admit that historical fiction is way too difficult for me at this point in my life. I'm definitely historically "challenged." I'd rather stick with writing based in the future: Science Fiction &#38; Fantasy. Of course, that category has its own research requirements, and they can be quite hefty as well.

This blog is great and I expect to visit here fairly regularly once I get over a bit of a life hurdle I'm involved with. I offer a big thanks to Randy and anyone who raises valuable questions like Micky's. I'd imagine that adherence to the perhaps unspoken "rules" of writing is one of the biggest chores of a writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Micky&#8217;s questions, I would have to agree absolutely with Randy. History fiction is a genre where readers will expect storyline to fall within the boundaries of conventions of the time.</p>
<p>To have a marriage with a woman teacher existing in the 1920s-50s time period without any recognition of the fact that no such marriages were permitted to exist is a disaster waiting to happen. The initial violation might seem negligible, but imagine if your novel began to gain some popularity, and then someone called you on your facts? It could potentially ruin your career.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not afraid to admit that historical fiction is way too difficult for me at this point in my life. I&#8217;m definitely historically &#8220;challenged.&#8221; I&#8217;d rather stick with writing based in the future: Science Fiction &amp; Fantasy. Of course, that category has its own research requirements, and they can be quite hefty as well.</p>
<p>This blog is great and I expect to visit here fairly regularly once I get over a bit of a life hurdle I&#8217;m involved with. I offer a big thanks to Randy and anyone who raises valuable questions like Micky&#8217;s. I&#8217;d imagine that adherence to the perhaps unspoken &#8220;rules&#8221; of writing is one of the biggest chores of a writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11023</link>
		<author>Melissa</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11023</guid>
					<description>Agreed.  The law should be written into the story somehow, not simply ignored.  If you don't want to add a storyline of the teacher dealing with conflict created by her choice to continue teaching after marriage vs. the conservative dissenters who want her to quit, another option would be to add conflict (and acknowledge the law) by the teacher trying to keep her marriage hidden from her coworkers or friends &#38; family - trying to keep the marriage a secret so she won't have to quit her job.  Let us know how it goes - sounds interesting.  :) 

And I really hope paper books don't become extinct.  I read them every night to fall asleep and don't think it would be the same having to lay down and hold up an electronic device.  Besides, a good old-fashioned book is something you know you can always turn to last minute - in a power outtage, doesn't need any batteries, cheap, etc.  And I spend all day at work on the computer (not to mention usually a bit in the evenings catching up on e-mails and Facebook), so when I lie down for a good read the LAST thing I want in front of my face is another glowing screen!!!  &#62;_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  The law should be written into the story somehow, not simply ignored.  If you don&#8217;t want to add a storyline of the teacher dealing with conflict created by her choice to continue teaching after marriage vs. the conservative dissenters who want her to quit, another option would be to add conflict (and acknowledge the law) by the teacher trying to keep her marriage hidden from her coworkers or friends &amp; family - trying to keep the marriage a secret so she won&#8217;t have to quit her job.  Let us know how it goes - sounds interesting.  <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I really hope paper books don&#8217;t become extinct.  I read them every night to fall asleep and don&#8217;t think it would be the same having to lay down and hold up an electronic device.  Besides, a good old-fashioned book is something you know you can always turn to last minute - in a power outtage, doesn&#8217;t need any batteries, cheap, etc.  And I spend all day at work on the computer (not to mention usually a bit in the evenings catching up on e-mails and Facebook), so when I lie down for a good read the LAST thing I want in front of my face is another glowing screen!!!  &gt;_</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11027</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Those of us who read fiction like to believe what we are reading is true. Imagine that. We also have a deep need to believe there is some educational merit in reading a paperback, especially if the cover depicts a beautiful woman swooning into the arms of a muscle-bound pirate amidst a burning deck &#38; sails. Whether we know it or not, we take away what we read in a novel as fact, unless we know the facts to be erroneous and in that case, the book goes flying.

Some of us may not admit that we learn stuff from novels. Speaking for all fiction fans, honest and not, I beg you to give us true facts, because we believe whatever you tell us! We want to learn something we didn't know! And we'll never buy your books again if you make us look like idiots when we argue about 17th century exploding pirate ships!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us who read fiction like to believe what we are reading is true. Imagine that. We also have a deep need to believe there is some educational merit in reading a paperback, especially if the cover depicts a beautiful woman swooning into the arms of a muscle-bound pirate amidst a burning deck &amp; sails. Whether we know it or not, we take away what we read in a novel as fact, unless we know the facts to be erroneous and in that case, the book goes flying.</p>
<p>Some of us may not admit that we learn stuff from novels. Speaking for all fiction fans, honest and not, I beg you to give us true facts, because we believe whatever you tell us! We want to learn something we didn&#8217;t know! And we&#8217;ll never buy your books again if you make us look like idiots when we argue about 17th century exploding pirate ships!</p>
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		<title>By: CarrieLLewis</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11033</link>
		<author>CarrieLLewis</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good advice, Randy.

There are other situations in which absolute adherence to the truth is necessary. I'll pull a couple of examples from personal life.

My husband is a railfan. He and the people like him know everything there is to know about the trains in which they are interested, whether it's modern day diesels or old-time steam locomotives.

The best way to alienate them is to mispresent any part of the life or history surrounding the railroad. Getting anything wrong in such a story makes the entire story irrelevant to them. You may have a good story and it may appeal to a lot of people, but get one thing wrong and you've lost your railfans.

I paint horse paintings for fun and profit. I know if I get one detail wrong in a painting, I'll hear about it from people who know that part of the equestrian world. Someome once told me the type of carriage a horse was pulling based on the way I'd drawn the harness. The carriage didn't show in the painting and I couldn't disagree because I don't know the carriage world that well.

As a reader, I know when something is either miswritten or mispresented if it has anything to do with a field in which I have personal experience and expertise. I'm left wondering just how much the author got wrong about other details if they got anything at all wrong.

Granted, those sorts of things happen more often in fields of special interest, but authors need to be aware that if they choose to write about a field of special interest, people who know that field inside and out will be likely to read the resulting story. If you don't want to lose credibility, pay attention to those details.

As Randy pointed out, the same holds true for certain genres within the world of publication. People who read historical fiction, for example, usually know more about the history involved than most people. That's why they read historical fiction.

It's a lot better to pay attention to those sorts of details and/or to make them work for you, than it is to regain whatever you credibility you lose with readers for fudging or openly disregarding the details of the era.

Carrie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice, Randy.</p>
<p>There are other situations in which absolute adherence to the truth is necessary. I&#8217;ll pull a couple of examples from personal life.</p>
<p>My husband is a railfan. He and the people like him know everything there is to know about the trains in which they are interested, whether it&#8217;s modern day diesels or old-time steam locomotives.</p>
<p>The best way to alienate them is to mispresent any part of the life or history surrounding the railroad. Getting anything wrong in such a story makes the entire story irrelevant to them. You may have a good story and it may appeal to a lot of people, but get one thing wrong and you&#8217;ve lost your railfans.</p>
<p>I paint horse paintings for fun and profit. I know if I get one detail wrong in a painting, I&#8217;ll hear about it from people who know that part of the equestrian world. Someome once told me the type of carriage a horse was pulling based on the way I&#8217;d drawn the harness. The carriage didn&#8217;t show in the painting and I couldn&#8217;t disagree because I don&#8217;t know the carriage world that well.</p>
<p>As a reader, I know when something is either miswritten or mispresented if it has anything to do with a field in which I have personal experience and expertise. I&#8217;m left wondering just how much the author got wrong about other details if they got anything at all wrong.</p>
<p>Granted, those sorts of things happen more often in fields of special interest, but authors need to be aware that if they choose to write about a field of special interest, people who know that field inside and out will be likely to read the resulting story. If you don&#8217;t want to lose credibility, pay attention to those details.</p>
<p>As Randy pointed out, the same holds true for certain genres within the world of publication. People who read historical fiction, for example, usually know more about the history involved than most people. That&#8217;s why they read historical fiction.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot better to pay attention to those sorts of details and/or to make them work for you, than it is to regain whatever you credibility you lose with readers for fudging or openly disregarding the details of the era.</p>
<p>Carrie</p>
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		<title>By: Paris Love</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11045</link>
		<author>Paris Love</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I knew the single/married teacher conundrum. Anyone who grew up reading the Little House on the Prairie books will know about this old timey rule and how it effected the careers of women at the turn of the 20th century.

Just because a rule seems obscure to one person, doesn't mean it isn't common knowledge. I also agree including the rule as part of the story conflict is going to make the story much more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew the single/married teacher conundrum. Anyone who grew up reading the Little House on the Prairie books will know about this old timey rule and how it effected the careers of women at the turn of the 20th century.</p>
<p>Just because a rule seems obscure to one person, doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t common knowledge. I also agree including the rule as part of the story conflict is going to make the story much more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Winchester</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11051</link>
		<author>Judy Winchester</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>One more vote for historical accuracy. I am well aware of the fact that married women were not allowed to work in most areas, not just teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more vote for historical accuracy. I am well aware of the fact that married women were not allowed to work in most areas, not just teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2010/07/26/truth-lies-and-fiction-writing/#comment-11083</link>
		<author>Kim Miller</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I support the historical accuracy argument here, but something comes to mind for me on this one. 

Alaska in the 1920s was probably not the easiest place to find teachers. That's my take from over here in Australia as someone who has teacher friends (a married couple) who spent a few years in the town of Old Crow in the Yukon (within yelling distance of Alaska). That was in the 1970s.

I can quite easily imagine a local school which pays lip service to the rule, yet bands together to keep their teachers in practice.

Change has to start somewhere. So why not here?
Change starts with people. Why not these people?

Confronting things head on is always a place of conflict, and is often a 'romantic' course of action, in the sense that adventure is romantic. 

Hiding the marriage might not work for the author/story/character. But it does not necessarily have to be hidden, that's my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the historical accuracy argument here, but something comes to mind for me on this one. </p>
<p>Alaska in the 1920s was probably not the easiest place to find teachers. That&#8217;s my take from over here in Australia as someone who has teacher friends (a married couple) who spent a few years in the town of Old Crow in the Yukon (within yelling distance of Alaska). That was in the 1970s.</p>
<p>I can quite easily imagine a local school which pays lip service to the rule, yet bands together to keep their teachers in practice.</p>
<p>Change has to start somewhere. So why not here?<br />
Change starts with people. Why not these people?</p>
<p>Confronting things head on is always a place of conflict, and is often a &#8216;romantic&#8217; course of action, in the sense that adventure is romantic. </p>
<p>Hiding the marriage might not work for the author/story/character. But it does not necessarily have to be hidden, that&#8217;s my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Hudson</title>
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		<author>Lois Hudson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was thinking most of the same thoughts before even reading the responses, so simply say "Amen" to the fascinating possibilities whichever way Micky chooses to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking most of the same thoughts before even reading the responses, so simply say &#8220;Amen&#8221; to the fascinating possibilities whichever way Micky chooses to go.</p>
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