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	<title>Comments on: Critiquing Camille</title>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6743</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6743</guid>
					<description>Sorry to hear about your wife's mom, I hope things get better soon.

So this answered my questions. And created some more. 

You fixed it nicely, Randy----it certainly looks right now. So, I can see I'm going to have trouble with this, because in my wee analytical brain, a physical response from the pov character is a separate reaction and not part of the motivation. But I need to look at the sentence subject and decide whether or not the reaction is tacked onto a motivation. (I think I have a lot of these in my novel. ugh.) I'm going to stand in the corner now and try to wrap my brain around this.

I had no clue about paralanguage. I'll study up on that while in the corner, too.

Thank you, Randy, for your help on this, the bonus lesson and all the free tips.:) 

&#38; Sorry about the overage. :(  

I will not post over the limit.
I will not post over the limit.
I will not...(to be continued. Also in the corner.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your wife&#8217;s mom, I hope things get better soon.</p>
<p>So this answered my questions. And created some more. </p>
<p>You fixed it nicely, Randy&#8212;-it certainly looks right now. So, I can see I&#8217;m going to have trouble with this, because in my wee analytical brain, a physical response from the pov character is a separate reaction and not part of the motivation. But I need to look at the sentence subject and decide whether or not the reaction is tacked onto a motivation. (I think I have a lot of these in my novel. ugh.) I&#8217;m going to stand in the corner now and try to wrap my brain around this.</p>
<p>I had no clue about paralanguage. I&#8217;ll study up on that while in the corner, too.</p>
<p>Thank you, Randy, for your help on this, the bonus lesson and all the free tips.:) </p>
<p>&amp; Sorry about the overage. <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I will not post over the limit.<br />
I will not post over the limit.<br />
I will not&#8230;(to be continued. Also in the corner.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6745</link>
		<author>Kathryn</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6745</guid>
					<description>Uh oh, Camille, I think I have alot of those in mine, too! 

Paralanguage? Ha! The learning never ends. I will have to study up on that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh oh, Camille, I think I have alot of those in mine, too! </p>
<p>Paralanguage? Ha! The learning never ends. I will have to study up on that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Andra M.</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6746</link>
		<author>Andra M.</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6746</guid>
					<description>I can see I've made the same mistake as well, and ditto to the others about paralanguage.

I also hope your MIL improves quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see I&#8217;ve made the same mistake as well, and ditto to the others about paralanguage.</p>
<p>I also hope your MIL improves quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6747</link>
		<author>Daniel Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6747</guid>
					<description>Thanks for the rules on paragraph breaks! I knew I wanted to see some, but couldn't seem to put that need into words. You've clarified the issue nicely. This will greatly speed up my writing now that I know when and where to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the rules on paragraph breaks! I knew I wanted to see some, but couldn&#8217;t seem to put that need into words. You&#8217;ve clarified the issue nicely. This will greatly speed up my writing now that I know when and where to break.</p>
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		<title>By: Karla akins</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6748</link>
		<author>Karla akins</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6748</guid>
					<description>I am lost.

Camille, you are a great writer.  I've read your stuff.  It rocks.  Get thee out of the corner.

I feel so DUMB after reading this post!  I wish I had the brain power to really get it.  In the meantime, I guess I'll just keep writing and hope to hit the right MRU once in a great while.  As for paralanguage -- wow.  What a cool word and concept to understand:  "Paralanguage about a non-POV character simply has to be part of the Motivation, not the Reaction."

If only I did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am lost.</p>
<p>Camille, you are a great writer.  I&#8217;ve read your stuff.  It rocks.  Get thee out of the corner.</p>
<p>I feel so DUMB after reading this post!  I wish I had the brain power to really get it.  In the meantime, I guess I&#8217;ll just keep writing and hope to hit the right MRU once in a great while.  As for paralanguage &#8212; wow.  What a cool word and concept to understand:  &#8220;Paralanguage about a non-POV character simply has to be part of the Motivation, not the Reaction.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only I did!</p>
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		<title>By: peppiv</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6754</link>
		<author>peppiv</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6754</guid>
					<description>Amazing. I really enjoy reading this blog. I learn something new with each entry.

This example is extremely helpful to me because it's the crossover from concept to practice. I understand MRU's and I believe they are a very helpful tool. But to see it applied to a passage with an understanding of what and why it's been changed is meaty.

Great stuff Randy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. I really enjoy reading this blog. I learn something new with each entry.</p>
<p>This example is extremely helpful to me because it&#8217;s the crossover from concept to practice. I understand MRU&#8217;s and I believe they are a very helpful tool. But to see it applied to a passage with an understanding of what and why it&#8217;s been changed is meaty.</p>
<p>Great stuff Randy!</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Halter</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6756</link>
		<author>Pam Halter</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6756</guid>
					<description>I knew what Randy taught already, but I didn't know it had a name! :)

Randy said: I always wonder why the author didn’t write it clearer.

I say: I wonder why the EDITOR didn't catch it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew what Randy taught already, but I didn&#8217;t know it had a name! <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Randy said: I always wonder why the author didn’t write it clearer.</p>
<p>I say: I wonder why the EDITOR didn&#8217;t catch it!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Eaton</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6757</link>
		<author>Bonnie Eaton</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6757</guid>
					<description>Dear Randy

I'm a fairly new subscriber (Junior-Senior category). Normally I print off the blogs to study instead of reading it online. Love your blog, and I've gotten so much wonderful information that you've explained so well. 

My request: I failed to get lesson 5 on MRU's printed off.  I couldn't find any archives on your site. Is there any way I can get that lesson from you? I'd appreciate it. Without lesson 5, it's like a missing tooth showing in a big grin. 

Thanks.

Bonnie J.--young lady trapped in old body</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Randy</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fairly new subscriber (Junior-Senior category). Normally I print off the blogs to study instead of reading it online. Love your blog, and I&#8217;ve gotten so much wonderful information that you&#8217;ve explained so well. </p>
<p>My request: I failed to get lesson 5 on MRU&#8217;s printed off.  I couldn&#8217;t find any archives on your site. Is there any way I can get that lesson from you? I&#8217;d appreciate it. Without lesson 5, it&#8217;s like a missing tooth showing in a big grin. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Bonnie J.&#8211;young lady trapped in old body</p>
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		<title>By: D.E. Hale</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6758</link>
		<author>D.E. Hale</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6758</guid>
					<description>Paralanguage? Good grief! See, my writing looks a lot like Camille's, and "technically" there wasn't anyting wrong with it. However, when you fixed it by putting the paralanguage in the motivation, I could really see how much better it was. Like her, I think my novel is FULL of these. 

This whole paralanguage thing really changes everything doesn't it? I'm beginning to wonder if I'll EVER get done editing my novel. Every time I learn something new, then I have to go "fix" more stuff...blech!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paralanguage? Good grief! See, my writing looks a lot like Camille&#8217;s, and &#8220;technically&#8221; there wasn&#8217;t anyting wrong with it. However, when you fixed it by putting the paralanguage in the motivation, I could really see how much better it was. Like her, I think my novel is FULL of these. </p>
<p>This whole paralanguage thing really changes everything doesn&#8217;t it? I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if I&#8217;ll EVER get done editing my novel. Every time I learn something new, then I have to go &#8220;fix&#8221; more stuff&#8230;blech!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Goodyear</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6759</link>
		<author>Mark Goodyear</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6759</guid>
					<description>Ah. Margie Lawson. You sent me to her as a resource to help make my characters react like normal people would... instead of reacting like I would.

I've never heard of paralanguage before either.

Lately, I've been feeling a bit like D.E. Hale on these matters. Who has time for perfection? And the market is so tight, who has time to submit less than perfection?

I really appreciate what you do here, though, Randy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. Margie Lawson. You sent me to her as a resource to help make my characters react like normal people would&#8230; instead of reacting like I would.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of paralanguage before either.</p>
<p>Lately, I&#8217;ve been feeling a bit like D.E. Hale on these matters. Who has time for perfection? And the market is so tight, who has time to submit less than perfection?</p>
<p>I really appreciate what you do here, though, Randy.</p>
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		<title>By: Avily Jerome</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6761</link>
		<author>Avily Jerome</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6761</guid>
					<description>I wonder if a lot of us are hearkening back to old-school English lessons?

I seem to recall learning at some point that each new paragraph of dialogue belongs on a separate line. That's the way I had been doing it, too, until my crit partner told me the new black is to put it all on one line.

Maybe I'm making it up and I never learned that- I don't remember- but it seems to make sense since many of us habitually do that very thing. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if a lot of us are hearkening back to old-school English lessons?</p>
<p>I seem to recall learning at some point that each new paragraph of dialogue belongs on a separate line. That&#8217;s the way I had been doing it, too, until my crit partner told me the new black is to put it all on one line.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m making it up and I never learned that- I don&#8217;t remember- but it seems to make sense since many of us habitually do that very thing. <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kristi Holl</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6763</link>
		<author>Kristi Holl</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6763</guid>
					<description>Sorry about the chaos at your house at the moment. Life has a way of doing that periodically! 

Enjoyed today's critique. Sometimes we are so busy with the words we write that we (I) overlook simple clarity. Thankfully we have critique groups to point out the confusion!
&lt;a href="http://kristiholl.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kristi Holl&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href="http://writers-first-aid.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Writer's First Aid blog&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the chaos at your house at the moment. Life has a way of doing that periodically! </p>
<p>Enjoyed today&#8217;s critique. Sometimes we are so busy with the words we write that we (I) overlook simple clarity. Thankfully we have critique groups to point out the confusion!<br />
<a href="http://kristiholl.com/" rel="nofollow">Kristi Holl</a><br />
<a href="http://writers-first-aid.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Writer&#8217;s First Aid blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6764</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6764</guid>
					<description>On second thought, I'm coming out of the corner. This is great! I knew I'd have bunches more of these split ends so I'm combing thru (like the pun?) my story and whoa! I see 'em! Search and Destroy time. Maybe I'm getting it. I'm still stumped on what to do with paralanguage though. If it's part of a motivation, and it's being sneaky to tack on a reaction with it, wouldn't putting the reaction after the pov person is finished be a delayed reaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, I&#8217;m coming out of the corner. This is great! I knew I&#8217;d have bunches more of these split ends so I&#8217;m combing thru (like the pun?) my story and whoa! I see &#8216;em! Search and Destroy time. Maybe I&#8217;m getting it. I&#8217;m still stumped on what to do with paralanguage though. If it&#8217;s part of a motivation, and it&#8217;s being sneaky to tack on a reaction with it, wouldn&#8217;t putting the reaction after the pov person is finished be a delayed reaction?</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6765</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6765</guid>
					<description>Sorry, I meant after the *non-pov* person is finished. Sheesh. Nothing like a writer who can't write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant after the *non-pov* person is finished. Sheesh. Nothing like a writer who can&#8217;t write.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6773</link>
		<author>Sean</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6773</guid>
					<description>So, anyone else doing NaNoWriMo?  Starts tonight!

I decided to do mine this year using the snowflake method.  It already looks like I'll be far less garbled and all-over-the-place than I was last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, anyone else doing NaNoWriMo?  Starts tonight!</p>
<p>I decided to do mine this year using the snowflake method.  It already looks like I&#8217;ll be far less garbled and all-over-the-place than I was last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6775</link>
		<author>Mo</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/10/25/critiquing-camille/#comment-6775</guid>
					<description>Good luck with NaNoWriMo, Sean - you're brave indeed. And you did it last year, too?? I think I would like to do it very much, but where do you find the time? I did the Three Day Novel Writing Contest this year, and while it was a great experience I don't know if I could sustain that level of commitment for a whole month.

Re. MRUs vs. Traditional "speech gets a line of it's own", I think there's been a definite shift toward compressing more content into less paragraphs over time. I remember being taught that every time someone speaks a new paragraph is formed. But those days are definitely gone, or at least, the number of ways to approach paragraph content has increased dramatically.

Take, for instance, Jose Saramago's writing style, wherein he sometimes opts to leave out quotation marks for speech entirely. His writing provides a fine example of just how seamlessly speech, thought, and action can be combined in (sometimes quite lengthy) single paragraphs without interfering with overall narrative flow. Rather, this style creates an almost mesmeric flow that encourages the reader to experience shifting layers of meaning that would be difficult to communicate otherwise. 

So I guess what I'm saying is: MRU's are a useful tool, but don't forget that the best tool of all is your own unique story and motivations for telling it. Don't get too tied up in technicalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with NaNoWriMo, Sean - you&#8217;re brave indeed. And you did it last year, too?? I think I would like to do it very much, but where do you find the time? I did the Three Day Novel Writing Contest this year, and while it was a great experience I don&#8217;t know if I could sustain that level of commitment for a whole month.</p>
<p>Re. MRUs vs. Traditional &#8220;speech gets a line of it&#8217;s own&#8221;, I think there&#8217;s been a definite shift toward compressing more content into less paragraphs over time. I remember being taught that every time someone speaks a new paragraph is formed. But those days are definitely gone, or at least, the number of ways to approach paragraph content has increased dramatically.</p>
<p>Take, for instance, Jose Saramago&#8217;s writing style, wherein he sometimes opts to leave out quotation marks for speech entirely. His writing provides a fine example of just how seamlessly speech, thought, and action can be combined in (sometimes quite lengthy) single paragraphs without interfering with overall narrative flow. Rather, this style creates an almost mesmeric flow that encourages the reader to experience shifting layers of meaning that would be difficult to communicate otherwise. </p>
<p>So I guess what I&#8217;m saying is: MRU&#8217;s are a useful tool, but don&#8217;t forget that the best tool of all is your own unique story and motivations for telling it. Don&#8217;t get too tied up in technicalities.</p>
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