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		<title>By: Daan Van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5063</link>
		<author>Daan Van der Merwe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Bruce!

Please forgive my audacity, but allow me.

Remember, the motivation is external and the reaction internal. They can NEVER be in the same paragraph. Roderick is our POV character.

Roderick McLeod stepped out of his galley and onto the boat dock. He straightened his tartan and squared his shoulders. With head held proudly up and firm, decisive step, he presented an air of confidence. (motivation)

He didn't feel confident at all. What does Donald Gorme, regent for clan McDonald, want? (reaction)

Roderick scanned the landing with wary eyes. (motivation)

There was no sign of an ambush. (reaction)

Gorme was standing motionless near the center of an open space. He carried no weapons. (motivation)

Roderick was not deceived. Gorme undoubtedly wore a dirk and possibly a light sword concealed beneath his kilt, and a sgian dhu in his stocking and boot. (reaction)

Just this far. This is only my sophomore opinion but I hope it is of some value to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bruce!</p>
<p>Please forgive my audacity, but allow me.</p>
<p>Remember, the motivation is external and the reaction internal. They can NEVER be in the same paragraph. Roderick is our POV character.</p>
<p>Roderick McLeod stepped out of his galley and onto the boat dock. He straightened his tartan and squared his shoulders. With head held proudly up and firm, decisive step, he presented an air of confidence. (motivation)</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t feel confident at all. What does Donald Gorme, regent for clan McDonald, want? (reaction)</p>
<p>Roderick scanned the landing with wary eyes. (motivation)</p>
<p>There was no sign of an ambush. (reaction)</p>
<p>Gorme was standing motionless near the center of an open space. He carried no weapons. (motivation)</p>
<p>Roderick was not deceived. Gorme undoubtedly wore a dirk and possibly a light sword concealed beneath his kilt, and a sgian dhu in his stocking and boot. (reaction)</p>
<p>Just this far. This is only my sophomore opinion but I hope it is of some value to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Neuman</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5070</link>
		<author>Carrie Neuman</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5070</guid>
					<description>Patty, that sounds hilarious. 

John, when I read "shunt" I immediately thought medicine. When you tell me who we're mad at, maybe you could work in a bit more physics-y stuff with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty, that sounds hilarious. </p>
<p>John, when I read &#8220;shunt&#8221; I immediately thought medicine. When you tell me who we&#8217;re mad at, maybe you could work in a bit more physics-y stuff with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5072</link>
		<author>Sam</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5072</guid>
					<description>Randy, great stuff.  I have a question, though.  Does it matter if the story is told in a 1st person POV or are those not accepted as well?  I've been struggling with wanting to tell the story that way; but most books I read are not in that POV.
Thanks.
Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, great stuff.  I have a question, though.  Does it matter if the story is told in a 1st person POV or are those not accepted as well?  I&#8217;ve been struggling with wanting to tell the story that way; but most books I read are not in that POV.<br />
Thanks.<br />
Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Goodyear</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5073</link>
		<author>Mark Goodyear</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5073</guid>
					<description>Patty, great paragraph. I love the goat kicking against the bungee straps.

Randy, in your rewrites for Patty, I especially appreciated the way you simplified that last sentence by removing the "as" and changing the dependent clause into a simple sentence. I'm not completely opposed to dependent clauses and complex sentences when I edit, but I always question them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patty, great paragraph. I love the goat kicking against the bungee straps.</p>
<p>Randy, in your rewrites for Patty, I especially appreciated the way you simplified that last sentence by removing the &#8220;as&#8221; and changing the dependent clause into a simple sentence. I&#8217;m not completely opposed to dependent clauses and complex sentences when I edit, but I always question them.</p>
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		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5074</link>
		<author>Patty</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5074</guid>
					<description>Randy,

Thanks. That helps a lot. Looking forward to seeing what help you give others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy,</p>
<p>Thanks. That helps a lot. Looking forward to seeing what help you give others.</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5076</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5076</guid>
					<description>I'm already feeling the goat's tension, Patty. If I were being taken to market, I'd be kicking too. Gotta love subtle inference.

Randy, I'm very interested in hearing more about where that line is between pov IM and authorial voice. I feel naturally closer to one of my main characters for some reason than the other (and it's not the one you'd think), and I think the second character's IM is too distant and may have that intrusive authorial feel. Can't wait to hear more.

I can see how looking at such a variety of writing samples will open up great topics. There are a couple samples down the list I can't wait to hear your comments on. This is so cool!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m already feeling the goat&#8217;s tension, Patty. If I were being taken to market, I&#8217;d be kicking too. Gotta love subtle inference.</p>
<p>Randy, I&#8217;m very interested in hearing more about where that line is between pov IM and authorial voice. I feel naturally closer to one of my main characters for some reason than the other (and it&#8217;s not the one you&#8217;d think), and I think the second character&#8217;s IM is too distant and may have that intrusive authorial feel. Can&#8217;t wait to hear more.</p>
<p>I can see how looking at such a variety of writing samples will open up great topics. There are a couple samples down the list I can&#8217;t wait to hear your comments on. This is so cool!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5078</link>
		<author>Cathy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5078</guid>
					<description>Great discussion, Randy.  I'm looking foreward to more of this, too.

By the way, I had trouble with the link for this page in today's email notice.  It wouldn't open this page.  Said it couldn't be found.  I had to use the link for yesterday's blog.  It is a direct link to your site. 

I've had this happen a couple of other times.  Just thought you might want to know that occassionaly there seems to be a problem with the redirect from the feedblitz links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion, Randy.  I&#8217;m looking foreward to more of this, too.</p>
<p>By the way, I had trouble with the link for this page in today&#8217;s email notice.  It wouldn&#8217;t open this page.  Said it couldn&#8217;t be found.  I had to use the link for yesterday&#8217;s blog.  It is a direct link to your site. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had this happen a couple of other times.  Just thought you might want to know that occassionaly there seems to be a problem with the redirect from the feedblitz links.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Younggreen</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5079</link>
		<author>Bruce Younggreen</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5079</guid>
					<description>Daan, thank you so much for your insights. I have been thinking of MRUs in larger segment terms, but your re-working of my paragraph provides excellent examples of the technique and how I should be working at it. I appreciate your critique.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daan, thank you so much for your insights. I have been thinking of MRUs in larger segment terms, but your re-working of my paragraph provides excellent examples of the technique and how I should be working at it. I appreciate your critique.</p>
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		<title>By: Andra M.</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5080</link>
		<author>Andra M.</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5080</guid>
					<description>I also liked Patty's sample paragraph. In a few words, I envisioned clearly what was happening.

I have a small comment. I found starting with 2nd person then jumping to 3rd person a bit jarring. Maybe that was the intent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also liked Patty&#8217;s sample paragraph. In a few words, I envisioned clearly what was happening.</p>
<p>I have a small comment. I found starting with 2nd person then jumping to 3rd person a bit jarring. Maybe that was the intent?</p>
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		<title>By: Cate</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5085</link>
		<author>Cate</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5085</guid>
					<description>Actually, I liked the 2nd-3rd shift in Patty's paragraph. I accepted it right off as Tia's thought and I think it set a good tongue-in-cheek tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I liked the 2nd-3rd shift in Patty&#8217;s paragraph. I accepted it right off as Tia&#8217;s thought and I think it set a good tongue-in-cheek tone.</p>
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		<title>By: John Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5089</link>
		<author>John Harper</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5089</guid>
					<description>Hi Randy.  Thanks for looking.  I had ndever thought about my interior monologue like that before. That will help heaps.

The situation is that he did an experiment once.  it worked.  But no one else can make it work: it destroys the lab.

He is angry at the situation because he knows he is right but now he is being pressured to recall his findings and admit it was fake, so i guess it is the situation.  

Won't that be a bit too much info for an opening sentence though?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Randy.  Thanks for looking.  I had ndever thought about my interior monologue like that before. That will help heaps.</p>
<p>The situation is that he did an experiment once.  it worked.  But no one else can make it work: it destroys the lab.</p>
<p>He is angry at the situation because he knows he is right but now he is being pressured to recall his findings and admit it was fake, so i guess it is the situation.  </p>
<p>Won&#8217;t that be a bit too much info for an opening sentence though?</p>
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		<title>By: John Harper</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2008/04/16/critiquing-patty-and-john/#comment-5343</link>
		<author>John Harper</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have redone my opening paragraph.  Expanded it somewhat.  Not sure if it is better. hopefully the monologue feels more real:
____________

As he read the report, Jeffrey's dream slid further away. He punched the maglift wall.  He cursed and cradled his bruised knuckles.
	MIT had tried to replicate his Shunt experiment.  Their lab had exploded.
	Jeffrey screwed the report into a ball and threw it at the floor.  That was the tenth failure!  Tenth!  What the hell was going wrong?  Now he was looking down the barrel of a retraction and expulsion form the science department.
	Failure.  Mankind needed this.  He needed this. And he was going to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have redone my opening paragraph.  Expanded it somewhat.  Not sure if it is better. hopefully the monologue feels more real:<br />
____________</p>
<p>As he read the report, Jeffrey&#8217;s dream slid further away. He punched the maglift wall.  He cursed and cradled his bruised knuckles.<br />
	MIT had tried to replicate his Shunt experiment.  Their lab had exploded.<br />
	Jeffrey screwed the report into a ball and threw it at the floor.  That was the tenth failure!  Tenth!  What the hell was going wrong?  Now he was looking down the barrel of a retraction and expulsion form the science department.<br />
	Failure.  Mankind needed this.  He needed this. And he was going to lose.</p>
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