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		<title>By: ML Eqatin</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3296</link>
		<author>ML Eqatin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow, Jeff, I'm impressed. Yours is the first realistic model I have heard which deals with the changes in production and distribution. Most are just insisting that the old way is the best/only way.

But for the record, if you talk to the guys at that well-known POD printer, that 'return units' clause basically means that they are printing you another book while the stores send back the covers and pulp the core. I know-- they blew a bunch of copies on one of mine, and all they wanted to replace them was the covers and a promise not to sell the remaining pages. (Happily for me, they didn't care if I gave them away, as long as I didn't sell them.)

From my B&#38;N manager friend, for all softcovers the policy is to pulp the core and return the cover. Which is why I too didn't check that 'returnable' box. It puts all the risk on the publisher, while the bookstore has zero responsibility to even try to sell the book. I  know of an incident where a store employee mistakenly ordered 20 copies when he meant to order two. The box was never unpacked for want of shelf space, and after a month all 20 were pulped, the covers sent back, and the publisher charged. 
That's a business model I would not buy into if I had a choice.
Thank the God who gave us brains to invent technology, POD and internet marketing finally give us that choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jeff, I&#8217;m impressed. Yours is the first realistic model I have heard which deals with the changes in production and distribution. Most are just insisting that the old way is the best/only way.</p>
<p>But for the record, if you talk to the guys at that well-known POD printer, that &#8216;return units&#8217; clause basically means that they are printing you another book while the stores send back the covers and pulp the core. I know&#8211; they blew a bunch of copies on one of mine, and all they wanted to replace them was the covers and a promise not to sell the remaining pages. (Happily for me, they didn&#8217;t care if I gave them away, as long as I didn&#8217;t sell them.)</p>
<p>From my B&amp;N manager friend, for all softcovers the policy is to pulp the core and return the cover. Which is why I too didn&#8217;t check that &#8216;returnable&#8217; box. It puts all the risk on the publisher, while the bookstore has zero responsibility to even try to sell the book. I  know of an incident where a store employee mistakenly ordered 20 copies when he meant to order two. The box was never unpacked for want of shelf space, and after a month all 20 were pulped, the covers sent back, and the publisher charged.<br />
That&#8217;s a business model I would not buy into if I had a choice.<br />
Thank the God who gave us brains to invent technology, POD and internet marketing finally give us that choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3297</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3297</guid>
					<description>Could you talk a little more about the online marketing and distribution process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you talk a little more about the online marketing and distribution process?</p>
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		<title>By: Christina Berry</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3300</link>
		<author>Christina Berry</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3300</guid>
					<description>Randy, as a prepubbed author who is taking on as much marketing as my skill level allows, I want to thank you for stressing the importance of starting this before the product (book) comes out. I guest blogged at the Christian Author Network about how to grow a newsletter, our major focus, and gave you credit for the inspiration.

You can find it at &lt;a href="http://canblog.typepad.com/canbookmarketing" rel="nofollow"&gt;The CAN blog&lt;/a&gt;.

And, to address the current topic, I think what Jeff is doing is revolutionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, as a prepubbed author who is taking on as much marketing as my skill level allows, I want to thank you for stressing the importance of starting this before the product (book) comes out. I guest blogged at the Christian Author Network about how to grow a newsletter, our major focus, and gave you credit for the inspiration.</p>
<p>You can find it at <a href="http://canblog.typepad.com/canbookmarketing" rel="nofollow">The CAN blog</a>.</p>
<p>And, to address the current topic, I think what Jeff is doing is revolutionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3301</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3301</guid>
					<description>I'm also curious about the online marketing and distribution process. I like the thought of POD from a legitimate publisher. It's frustrating when a friend recommends a book or series to you and when you try to find it, either it or the first in the series is out of print or at least not available (I buy a lot of books from Amazon for that reason).

I'm also curious about promoting the book. Does this type of process leave all/most of the promoting to the authors? Even with friends/website things you're not going to be searched until your name is known, which makes it hard for first-time/unknown authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also curious about the online marketing and distribution process. I like the thought of POD from a legitimate publisher. It&#8217;s frustrating when a friend recommends a book or series to you and when you try to find it, either it or the first in the series is out of print or at least not available (I buy a lot of books from Amazon for that reason).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also curious about promoting the book. Does this type of process leave all/most of the promoting to the authors? Even with friends/website things you&#8217;re not going to be searched until your name is known, which makes it hard for first-time/unknown authors.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Heath</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3302</link>
		<author>Terry Heath</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3302</guid>
					<description>If you're not distributing the book to stores, not paying an advance, and not even publishing the book unless it's ordered, why shouldn't the author just do it himself through Lulu.com?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re not distributing the book to stores, not paying an advance, and not even publishing the book unless it&#8217;s ordered, why shouldn&#8217;t the author just do it himself through Lulu.com?</p>
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		<title>By: Andie Mock</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3303</link>
		<author>Andie Mock</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3303</guid>
					<description>Lulu.com charges about $10.00 wholesale for printing 1 paperback and not much of a price break for printing 1000's. 

Do you have a better deal on POD?

What would the customer be charged plus the shipping? IOTW, what would the net be on that 50/50 split?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lulu.com charges about $10.00 wholesale for printing 1 paperback and not much of a price break for printing 1000&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Do you have a better deal on POD?</p>
<p>What would the customer be charged plus the shipping? IOTW, what would the net be on that 50/50 split?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: bonne friesen</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3304</link>
		<author>bonne friesen</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3304</guid>
					<description>Can you tell that Marcher Press is getting serious consideration from writers who frequent this blog? 

This is very exciting.  Tell us more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you tell that Marcher Press is getting serious consideration from writers who frequent this blog? </p>
<p>This is very exciting.  Tell us more!</p>
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		<title>By: ML Eqatin</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3305</link>
		<author>ML Eqatin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3305</guid>
					<description>Andie: Lulu and iUniverse and so forth are only charging for what you could do yourself for 25% of the price. They, and Jeff, and Thomas Nelson, are all going to the same Ingram subsidiary which has a virtual monopoly on POD (it's not really a monopoly, but since they are half the cost of anyone else, everyone gets their books printed there), the same source from which probably 50% or more of the books now sold online go through. The distribution is as follows: Somebody buys it online from one of the many sites (B&#38;N, Borders, Amazon, -- they all download the Ingram calalog). Then one copy is printed, and shipped to the customer. No warehousing, no retail costs. A single order fee of $1.50 is assessed, which is pricier one book at a time, because it would be the same buck-and-a-half for an order of 500. The seller gets their cut of whatever price the publisher has set wholesale, the cost of printing is deducted, and the remainder is credited to the publisher's account. then after his costs, what's left is profit.

This will not market your book. Neither does it mean your book is of any interest to a paying customer. It will only print and deliver your book. All the rest of the know-how is what Jeff is offering. I find his offer to put up his expertise and labor on half-shares quite generous, and if I were writing anything that would fit his profile, I'd definitely consider Marcher Lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andie: Lulu and iUniverse and so forth are only charging for what you could do yourself for 25% of the price. They, and Jeff, and Thomas Nelson, are all going to the same Ingram subsidiary which has a virtual monopoly on POD (it&#8217;s not really a monopoly, but since they are half the cost of anyone else, everyone gets their books printed there), the same source from which probably 50% or more of the books now sold online go through. The distribution is as follows: Somebody buys it online from one of the many sites (B&amp;N, Borders, Amazon, &#8212; they all download the Ingram calalog). Then one copy is printed, and shipped to the customer. No warehousing, no retail costs. A single order fee of $1.50 is assessed, which is pricier one book at a time, because it would be the same buck-and-a-half for an order of 500. The seller gets their cut of whatever price the publisher has set wholesale, the cost of printing is deducted, and the remainder is credited to the publisher&#8217;s account. then after his costs, what&#8217;s left is profit.</p>
<p>This will not market your book. Neither does it mean your book is of any interest to a paying customer. It will only print and deliver your book. All the rest of the know-how is what Jeff is offering. I find his offer to put up his expertise and labor on half-shares quite generous, and if I were writing anything that would fit his profile, I&#8217;d definitely consider Marcher Lord.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice R.</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3307</link>
		<author>Alice R.</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3307</guid>
					<description>I read on a Christian writing markets blog that it is best to wait to send queries until after Christmas, when things settle down mid-January.

Is this true for Marcher Lord Press?  I have a science fiction query I would like to send.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read on a Christian writing markets blog that it is best to wait to send queries until after Christmas, when things settle down mid-January.</p>
<p>Is this true for Marcher Lord Press?  I have a science fiction query I would like to send.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3308</link>
		<author>Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3308</guid>
					<description>I am an aspiring fiction writer who has submitted the proposal to Jeff at MLP.  Before I did, I asked if he were going to be able to list the books on Amazon, and he replied that was possible.  Since so many books (and the audience we aim for) use Amazon, that was a selling point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an aspiring fiction writer who has submitted the proposal to Jeff at MLP.  Before I did, I asked if he were going to be able to list the books on Amazon, and he replied that was possible.  Since so many books (and the audience we aim for) use Amazon, that was a selling point.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3312</link>
		<author>Elizabeth Burton</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3312</guid>
					<description>Jeff,

Welcome to my world--Zumaya has been perfecting the digital printing business model for the last five years.

There's a very good reason why POD has become synonymous with vanity/subsidy/author mill publishing in the minds of the public. Those are the only companies that have gotten any kind of media attention since the digital printing process was perfected. Then, the major writers' organizations like SFWA, RWA and, most recently, MWA added to the misconception by writing membership criteria that clearly targeted non-traditional independent publishers.

Lightning Source doesn't have a monopoly on print-on-demand services. They are, however, the only one (to my knowledge, anyway) that deals strictly with publishers. In other words, they don't offer subsidy publishing services, as is the case with Author House and Amazon's OnDemand, which used to be Booksurge. They are also favored BY publishers because they are the only way to be listed in the Ingram database.

That last isn't a factor if, as Jeff plans to do, you aren't interested in dealing with bookstores (although they aren't by any means dead). OTOH, limiting one's market isn't a good idea--I speak here from experience. Nor is it helpful when your authors want to schedule author events at a bookstore. Again, not a problem, but honesty demands authors be made fully aware of the drawbacks inherent in bucking the system totally rather than remodeling it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Welcome to my world&#8211;Zumaya has been perfecting the digital printing business model for the last five years.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a very good reason why POD has become synonymous with vanity/subsidy/author mill publishing in the minds of the public. Those are the only companies that have gotten any kind of media attention since the digital printing process was perfected. Then, the major writers&#8217; organizations like SFWA, RWA and, most recently, MWA added to the misconception by writing membership criteria that clearly targeted non-traditional independent publishers.</p>
<p>Lightning Source doesn&#8217;t have a monopoly on print-on-demand services. They are, however, the only one (to my knowledge, anyway) that deals strictly with publishers. In other words, they don&#8217;t offer subsidy publishing services, as is the case with Author House and Amazon&#8217;s OnDemand, which used to be Booksurge. They are also favored BY publishers because they are the only way to be listed in the Ingram database.</p>
<p>That last isn&#8217;t a factor if, as Jeff plans to do, you aren&#8217;t interested in dealing with bookstores (although they aren&#8217;t by any means dead). OTOH, limiting one&#8217;s market isn&#8217;t a good idea&#8211;I speak here from experience. Nor is it helpful when your authors want to schedule author events at a bookstore. Again, not a problem, but honesty demands authors be made fully aware of the drawbacks inherent in bucking the system totally rather than remodeling it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Connealy</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3349</link>
		<author>Mary Connealy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/12/02/still-more-with-jeff-gerke/#comment-3349</guid>
					<description>Hi, Jeff. I'm a little late with this. 
No question, I just wanted to say that when you were with Strang I submitted a novel to you that you didn't buy, but you gave me a really great critique. I have to assumed you were trapped on a runway somewhere, but still.....
I really appreciated it. God bless you.
I've never gotten my demon possessed serial killer book published. And now I'm writing for Barbour and writing historical romantic comedies. But still, I've got an imagination after all. The gift of discerning spirits can't have just started in modern days. :)
We'll see.
I think I found you blogging somewhere before and wrote essentially this same note. It's a blurry memory and, let's face it, I make stuff up for a living, I could be mistaken. but still, this feels familiar.
I'll quit now, one note short of qualifying as a stalker.
Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jeff. I&#8217;m a little late with this.<br />
No question, I just wanted to say that when you were with Strang I submitted a novel to you that you didn&#8217;t buy, but you gave me a really great critique. I have to assumed you were trapped on a runway somewhere, but still&#8230;..<br />
I really appreciated it. God bless you.<br />
I&#8217;ve never gotten my demon possessed serial killer book published. And now I&#8217;m writing for Barbour and writing historical romantic comedies. But still, I&#8217;ve got an imagination after all. The gift of discerning spirits can&#8217;t have just started in modern days. <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
We&#8217;ll see.<br />
I think I found you blogging somewhere before and wrote essentially this same note. It&#8217;s a blurry memory and, let&#8217;s face it, I make stuff up for a living, I could be mistaken. but still, this feels familiar.<br />
I&#8217;ll quit now, one note short of qualifying as a stalker.<br />
Thanks again.</p>
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