<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.1.3" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Happy Thanksgiving!</title>
	<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/</link>
	<description>America's Mad Professor of Fiction Writing</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3</generator>

	<item>
		<title>By: Daan Van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3178</link>
		<author>Daan Van der Merwe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3178</guid>
					<description>LOL! That reminds me, Once every four years during November, I stay up all night to watch the American Presidential elections on CNN, enjoying every second of it.

One of the many highlights is the scene just after the victorious candidate has been anounced.

Losing candidate: (addressing his supporters in Plains, Georgia) "....but I want you to know, I love you all ..."

Supporters: (in perfect unison)"and we love you too!"

Happy Thanksgiving to all the US (and some Canadian) readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! That reminds me, Once every four years during November, I stay up all night to watch the American Presidential elections on CNN, enjoying every second of it.</p>
<p>One of the many highlights is the scene just after the victorious candidate has been anounced.</p>
<p>Losing candidate: (addressing his supporters in Plains, Georgia) &#8220;&#8230;.but I want you to know, I love you all &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Supporters: (in perfect unison)&#8221;and we love you too!&#8221;</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving to all the US (and some Canadian) readers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: J Parker Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3179</link>
		<author>J Parker Haynes</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3179</guid>
					<description>Randy,

	Thanks for the clarification. I went through multiple rewrites trying to accomplish my goal from a single POV, and you’re right. It doesn’t work worth a (choose your own four letter word)! Now I’ll try inserting chapters or scenes with second POV. As I look at where the story is going, I DO need that second POV. Gracias!

As to your “Randy sez:” What ridiculous names these characters have! Nobody names their kid Obama or Hillary. Where did you get these?

I say: If your characters are less than honest you name them after politicians. Your readers know then that most of what they say is a lie.

	Hope your Thanksgiving is treating you and your well. Until Monday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy,</p>
<p>	Thanks for the clarification. I went through multiple rewrites trying to accomplish my goal from a single POV, and you’re right. It doesn’t work worth a (choose your own four letter word)! Now I’ll try inserting chapters or scenes with second POV. As I look at where the story is going, I DO need that second POV. Gracias!</p>
<p>As to your “Randy sez:” What ridiculous names these characters have! Nobody names their kid Obama or Hillary. Where did you get these?</p>
<p>I say: If your characters are less than honest you name them after politicians. Your readers know then that most of what they say is a lie.</p>
<p>	Hope your Thanksgiving is treating you and your well. Until Monday&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Karla Akins</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3180</link>
		<author>Karla Akins</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3180</guid>
					<description>Happy Thanksgiving!

Well, I had you on a pedestal until that Hilary thing. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
<p>Well, I had you on a pedestal until that Hilary thing. . .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3182</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3182</guid>
					<description>Is she even eligible? I thought Hillary already served her 8 year max, 1993-2001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is she even eligible? I thought Hillary already served her 8 year max, 1993-2001.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul D</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3183</link>
		<author>Paul D</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3183</guid>
					<description>NO! Sorry, Randy, but I'm hoping you're wrong about Hillary for president!

I've got nothing against a female president, but Hillary ain't the one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO! Sorry, Randy, but I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re wrong about Hillary for president!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing against a female president, but Hillary ain&#8217;t the one!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daan Van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3184</link>
		<author>Daan Van der Merwe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3184</guid>
					<description>LOL! Camille, LOL!! Excellent!

You have just reminded me, during those years a photo of President Clinton and Hillary appeared in a magazine with the inscription "The President of the United States of America with her husband, Bill."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Camille, LOL!! Excellent!</p>
<p>You have just reminded me, during those years a photo of President Clinton and Hillary appeared in a magazine with the inscription &#8220;The President of the United States of America with her husband, Bill.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Daan Van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3185</link>
		<author>Daan Van der Merwe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3185</guid>
					<description>Tsk, tsk. Methinks when it comes to the American Fiction Writers lobby, Me. Clinton has her work cut out for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsk, tsk. Methinks when it comes to the American Fiction Writers lobby, Me. Clinton has her work cut out for her.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pam Halter</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3186</link>
		<author>Pam Halter</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3186</guid>
					<description>A woman president with PMS and a finger on the hot button.  Or, in Hillary's case, a women in menopause who can't think straight and will do anything to relieve herself of a wicked hot flash.

Hmmmmmmm . . .

I wonder if we're ready for that.  HA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman president with PMS and a finger on the hot button.  Or, in Hillary&#8217;s case, a women in menopause who can&#8217;t think straight and will do anything to relieve herself of a wicked hot flash.</p>
<p>Hmmmmmmm . . .</p>
<p>I wonder if we&#8217;re ready for that.  HA!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lynda</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3187</link>
		<author>Lynda</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3187</guid>
					<description>Belated Thanksgiving to all.

Yikes Randy, you have a mathematical model to back-up your claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated Thanksgiving to all.</p>
<p>Yikes Randy, you have a mathematical model to back-up your claim?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lynda</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3188</link>
		<author>Lynda</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3188</guid>
					<description>Belated HAPPY Thanksgiving to all! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated HAPPY Thanksgiving to all! <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tami Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3191</link>
		<author>Tami Meyers</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3191</guid>
					<description>Oops, I posted to the days blog, so will try again.

A couple of years ago I started doing the same thing you’re doing with the practice. I typed the first three chapters of a best selling novel because I figured if she was that successful I could learn something from her work. 

I have a sanguine personality without any analytical cells in my brain, so outlining and such are useless exercises in frustration. Because of this I thought if I typed someone else’s excellent writing I could possibly pick up the rhythm and flow of good writing, along with learning proper punctuation and structure.
I stopped doing it when someone told me I was wasting time I should be spending on my own story. 

Wow, look how much I could have learned in two years! I might even have understood this Scene/Sequel stuff by now. Guess you have to be careful who you listen to (or is that to who/whom you listen?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I posted to the days blog, so will try again.</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I started doing the same thing you’re doing with the practice. I typed the first three chapters of a best selling novel because I figured if she was that successful I could learn something from her work. </p>
<p>I have a sanguine personality without any analytical cells in my brain, so outlining and such are useless exercises in frustration. Because of this I thought if I typed someone else’s excellent writing I could possibly pick up the rhythm and flow of good writing, along with learning proper punctuation and structure.<br />
I stopped doing it when someone told me I was wasting time I should be spending on my own story. </p>
<p>Wow, look how much I could have learned in two years! I might even have understood this Scene/Sequel stuff by now. Guess you have to be careful who you listen to (or is that to who/whom you listen?).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3196</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3196</guid>
					<description>I'm still trying moping/to understand how to create a viable “scene” with those subtler conflicts...

Don't you notice that in stories like P&#38;P, for those who know the novel/film, 'scenes' (ie goal, conflict, disaster) are subtle? 

Chapter 16 describes a dinner party setting, which includes the ridiculous Mr. Collins who exists, as far as I'm concerned, for comic relief. As far as I can tell, the scene is primarily about Lizzie discovering something from Wickham that significantly increases her dislike for Mr. Darcy. If this is a 'scene', her goal, as I see it, is to hang with Wickham. The next chapter moves on to another setting, where Lizzie and her sister discuss the new info and decide how much merit it deserves. Gripping stuff, I know. I bet you thought the next scene was Det. John Maclean stuffing Mrs. Bennet into a helicopter and flying it into the Lincoln tunnel.

My point---can I be honest guys? I want permission to explore the intricacies of human nature without feeling pressured to blow something up. 

I'll fess up: here's a little excerpt of my story and a brief critique, which I appreciated. And I agreed with the coments, of course. I just don't know what to do about it-  www.tinahelmuth.blogspot.com  -if you have a minute to look at it. 

Does something outwardly eventful &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to happen? If I have people interacting and reacting inwardly, what will it take to make a scene like this feel whole, like a real scene? 

Can't a conflict and disaster be something as simple as this:

Jamie, carrying a load of private anguish, is struggling to figure out how she will break off the recently professed love-thingy with Ian before it goes any further, only to discover that he has told his very caring, meddling sister and Lord knows who else, and now there are more people involved to contend with, people who might start to pry, be sympathetic, and crack the fragile hold she has on her emotions. Of course, they end up prying and being sympathetic and she cracks and now the guy is looking around for a cork because that's what guys do when a girl starts bawling.

Does this count as a disaster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying moping/to understand how to create a viable “scene” with those subtler conflicts&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you notice that in stories like P&amp;P, for those who know the novel/film, &#8217;scenes&#8217; (ie goal, conflict, disaster) are subtle? </p>
<p>Chapter 16 describes a dinner party setting, which includes the ridiculous Mr. Collins who exists, as far as I&#8217;m concerned, for comic relief. As far as I can tell, the scene is primarily about Lizzie discovering something from Wickham that significantly increases her dislike for Mr. Darcy. If this is a &#8217;scene&#8217;, her goal, as I see it, is to hang with Wickham. The next chapter moves on to another setting, where Lizzie and her sister discuss the new info and decide how much merit it deserves. Gripping stuff, I know. I bet you thought the next scene was Det. John Maclean stuffing Mrs. Bennet into a helicopter and flying it into the Lincoln tunnel.</p>
<p>My point&#8212;can I be honest guys? I want permission to explore the intricacies of human nature without feeling pressured to blow something up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll fess up: here&#8217;s a little excerpt of my story and a brief critique, which I appreciated. And I agreed with the coments, of course. I just don&#8217;t know what to do about it-  <a href="http://www.tinahelmuth.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">www.tinahelmuth.blogspot.com</a>  -if you have a minute to look at it. </p>
<p>Does something outwardly eventful <i>have</i> to happen? If I have people interacting and reacting inwardly, what will it take to make a scene like this feel whole, like a real scene? </p>
<p>Can&#8217;t a conflict and disaster be something as simple as this:</p>
<p>Jamie, carrying a load of private anguish, is struggling to figure out how she will break off the recently professed love-thingy with Ian before it goes any further, only to discover that he has told his very caring, meddling sister and Lord knows who else, and now there are more people involved to contend with, people who might start to pry, be sympathetic, and crack the fragile hold she has on her emotions. Of course, they end up prying and being sympathetic and she cracks and now the guy is looking around for a cork because that&#8217;s what guys do when a girl starts bawling.</p>
<p>Does this count as a disaster?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charlotte Babb</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3200</link>
		<author>Charlotte Babb</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3200</guid>
					<description>If it's a disaster to her, it's a disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s a disaster to her, it&#8217;s a disaster.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3206</link>
		<author>Judith</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/21/happy-thanksgiving/#comment-3206</guid>
					<description>Randy, please cancel my subscription. Thanks. Judith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, please cancel my subscription. Thanks. Judith</p>
]]></content:encoded>
				</item>
</channel>
</rss>

