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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3141</link>
		<author>Holly</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Turkey Day! 

I'm seeing the wisdom of breaking my work into scenes and sequels, but I'm a little confused about sequels: how long do they need to be? If a scene ends in disaster and I need to take my character from that right into another action, is what happens between those two scenes a sequel even if it's only a paragraph or so? And more importantly, can there be action in a sequel, pushing the MC to the decision--or is that then just another scene?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Turkey Day! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m seeing the wisdom of breaking my work into scenes and sequels, but I&#8217;m a little confused about sequels: how long do they need to be? If a scene ends in disaster and I need to take my character from that right into another action, is what happens between those two scenes a sequel even if it&#8217;s only a paragraph or so? And more importantly, can there be action in a sequel, pushing the MC to the decision&#8211;or is that then just another scene?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3142</link>
		<author>Rachel Brown</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hope you have a very happy birthday, Randy.

"It’s possible to string together a whole series of scenes that all take place in the same place and happen one after another, each from a different POV."

What about different POVs about events that take place at the same or at an overlapping chronological time? How can you cover the same (or not distinctly separate) time period from two different POVs?

I have a feeling it is kind of "not done" to have a following scene from a different POV which is not moving the story ahead chronologically, but is there another approach to the whole "meanwhile, back on the ranch ... " kind of thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you have a very happy birthday, Randy.</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s possible to string together a whole series of scenes that all take place in the same place and happen one after another, each from a different POV.&#8221;</p>
<p>What about different POVs about events that take place at the same or at an overlapping chronological time? How can you cover the same (or not distinctly separate) time period from two different POVs?</p>
<p>I have a feeling it is kind of &#8220;not done&#8221; to have a following scene from a different POV which is not moving the story ahead chronologically, but is there another approach to the whole &#8220;meanwhile, back on the ranch &#8230; &#8221; kind of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Daan Van der Merwe</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3143</link>
		<author>Daan Van der Merwe</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I believe that Thanksgiving is also celebrated by your brethren up north across the great lakes. Two of my brothers with their families live in Prince George, Alberta, and they have invited me to their joint Thanksgiving celebrations. I had to decline, not because I'll have to travel a mere 12 000 kilometres, but I'm under pressure from the missus to mow the lawn and clean the pool. 

In the meantime Randy, enjoy your birthday! Many happy returns and may God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Thanksgiving is also celebrated by your brethren up north across the great lakes. Two of my brothers with their families live in Prince George, Alberta, and they have invited me to their joint Thanksgiving celebrations. I had to decline, not because I&#8217;ll have to travel a mere 12 000 kilometres, but I&#8217;m under pressure from the missus to mow the lawn and clean the pool. </p>
<p>In the meantime Randy, enjoy your birthday! Many happy returns and may God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: bonne friesen</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3145</link>
		<author>bonne friesen</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In Canada (including Alberta *grin) we had Thanksgiving a month ago Daan, but we've been known to use  US Thanksgiving as an excuse for more sleepy bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Canada (including Alberta *grin) we had Thanksgiving a month ago Daan, but we&#8217;ve been known to use  US Thanksgiving as an excuse for more sleepy bird.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3146</link>
		<author>Lynda</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Birthday, Randy!

My critiquer complained that the story was too dark and breakneck. I intentionally added a few humerous scenes to slow things down and give the reader a breather. They aren't sequel and don't necessarily advance the plot, but they do deepen characterization and mileu. And, they bridge to the plot. Is this done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday, Randy!</p>
<p>My critiquer complained that the story was too dark and breakneck. I intentionally added a few humerous scenes to slow things down and give the reader a breather. They aren&#8217;t sequel and don&#8217;t necessarily advance the plot, but they do deepen characterization and mileu. And, they bridge to the plot. Is this done?</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Halter</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3147</link>
		<author>Pam Halter</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Randy said: As for each Scene or Sequel, yes, I believe you should restrict each to a single POV. But remember that you can break after each Disaster or Decision to a new POV character.

I've found that using more than one POV character builds tension. Switching POV after a Decision or Diaster frustrates the reader but keeps them reading. It's sneaky, but it works.  ;)

Birthday Blessings, Randy!

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. We have much to be thankful for all year long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy said: As for each Scene or Sequel, yes, I believe you should restrict each to a single POV. But remember that you can break after each Disaster or Decision to a new POV character.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that using more than one POV character builds tension. Switching POV after a Decision or Diaster frustrates the reader but keeps them reading. It&#8217;s sneaky, but it works.  <img src='http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Birthday Blessings, Randy!</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. We have much to be thankful for all year long.</p>
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		<title>By: Karla Akins</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3148</link>
		<author>Karla Akins</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday to you
Happy Birthday dear Randy
Happy Birthday to you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday to you<br />
Happy Birthday to you<br />
Happy Birthday dear Randy<br />
Happy Birthday to you!!</p>
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		<title>By: Camille</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3149</link>
		<author>Camille</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Have a Happy Birthday, Randy!! May your cup overflow!

"If a character has a Goal, then you want to show Conflict that frustrates that Goal and a Disaster that destroys the Goal. All of those are a single emotive entity, and they need to be experienced by a single POV character." 

Great questions and great stuff, thanks. The words 'frustrate' and 'destroy' I can identify with. But "oatmealizing" will take a bit to digest.

So a question that comes to mind on the heels of Randy's comment to Mary about literary fiction. Okay, a bunch of questions.

I'd like to know if, in general, the key elements to good storytelling that we talk about, like Scene/Sequel, apply more to commercial than literary fiction? 

I guess I'm writing a relational drama, women's fic. I have some chapters that move the story along but don't have a disaster, unless it's subtle. Can you have an emotive punch in a scene without a 'disaster'? Isn't humor an emotional experience? In a story about relationships and inner struggle, can inner conflict and interpersonal drama produce enough emotional experience? Or is it a hairy bore?

Don't get me wrong, there are some major disasters in the story. But, since it's not an action based story, I don't have a big earth-shattering one in every scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a Happy Birthday, Randy!! May your cup overflow!</p>
<p>&#8220;If a character has a Goal, then you want to show Conflict that frustrates that Goal and a Disaster that destroys the Goal. All of those are a single emotive entity, and they need to be experienced by a single POV character.&#8221; </p>
<p>Great questions and great stuff, thanks. The words &#8216;frustrate&#8217; and &#8216;destroy&#8217; I can identify with. But &#8220;oatmealizing&#8221; will take a bit to digest.</p>
<p>So a question that comes to mind on the heels of Randy&#8217;s comment to Mary about literary fiction. Okay, a bunch of questions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know if, in general, the key elements to good storytelling that we talk about, like Scene/Sequel, apply more to commercial than literary fiction? </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m writing a relational drama, women&#8217;s fic. I have some chapters that move the story along but don&#8217;t have a disaster, unless it&#8217;s subtle. Can you have an emotive punch in a scene without a &#8216;disaster&#8217;? Isn&#8217;t humor an emotional experience? In a story about relationships and inner struggle, can inner conflict and interpersonal drama produce enough emotional experience? Or is it a hairy bore?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, there are some major disasters in the story. But, since it&#8217;s not an action based story, I don&#8217;t have a big earth-shattering one in every scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3150</link>
		<author>Cathy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Randy,

Have a happy birthday and a wonderful Thanksgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Randy,</p>
<p>Have a happy birthday and a wonderful Thanksgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Davalynn</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3151</link>
		<author>Davalynn</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello,

I've commented a couple of times, but don't see it coming up in the blog, so if I need to do something different, I'm open to learning!!!!

Randy, I was glad to read your comment today about skimming through the previous day's work to get into the right groove for your story before you start working on it again. I like to mentally "live" in my story world while I'm writing, but I don't always get that luxury (I'm a married middle school teacher working on my masters in creative writing). The problem comes along when I'm reading something that is not written in my "style" or similar to my voice, and then I start mimicking that writer's style! Not overtly, but in things like sentence length or sarcasm or pacing. You have mentioned reading several different types of fiction: do you ever face this challenge, or is it simply a freshman/sophomore thing?

Happy Thanksgiving/Birthday!

Davalynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve commented a couple of times, but don&#8217;t see it coming up in the blog, so if I need to do something different, I&#8217;m open to learning!!!!</p>
<p>Randy, I was glad to read your comment today about skimming through the previous day&#8217;s work to get into the right groove for your story before you start working on it again. I like to mentally &#8220;live&#8221; in my story world while I&#8217;m writing, but I don&#8217;t always get that luxury (I&#8217;m a married middle school teacher working on my masters in creative writing). The problem comes along when I&#8217;m reading something that is not written in my &#8220;style&#8221; or similar to my voice, and then I start mimicking that writer&#8217;s style! Not overtly, but in things like sentence length or sarcasm or pacing. You have mentioned reading several different types of fiction: do you ever face this challenge, or is it simply a freshman/sophomore thing?</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving/Birthday!</p>
<p>Davalynn</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Deeth</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3152</link>
		<author>Sheila Deeth</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy birthday and Happy Thanksgiving. I just got "Promoting your writing by speaking" through the mail, and am looking forward to working through it. Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy birthday and Happy Thanksgiving. I just got &#8220;Promoting your writing by speaking&#8221; through the mail, and am looking forward to working through it. Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tami Meyers</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3154</link>
		<author>Tami Meyers</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Randy, I can't seem to grasp this Scene/Sequel thing. I've read Dwight Swain's book and even listened to his lectures, but it just excapes my understanding. 

I know it will be one of those things that makes me slap my forehead and say "well duh!" when I finally understand the concept, but for now I get frustrated trying to "get it". Yes, I have listened to your Fiction 101, Fiction 201 and also the tapes of Fiction 101 you did with Brandilyn Collins. Am I just hopeless?
Happy birthday, Randy, and Happy Thanksgiving to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy, I can&#8217;t seem to grasp this Scene/Sequel thing. I&#8217;ve read Dwight Swain&#8217;s book and even listened to his lectures, but it just excapes my understanding. </p>
<p>I know it will be one of those things that makes me slap my forehead and say &#8220;well duh!&#8221; when I finally understand the concept, but for now I get frustrated trying to &#8220;get it&#8221;. Yes, I have listened to your Fiction 101, Fiction 201 and also the tapes of Fiction 101 you did with Brandilyn Collins. Am I just hopeless?<br />
Happy birthday, Randy, and Happy Thanksgiving to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Hudson</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3155</link>
		<author>Lois Hudson</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So good reading all your comments. I think I'm beginning to get a feel for your different personalities. It would be fun to meet face to face, but impractical, so for the time being, everyone, keep writing, keep sharing, keep being thankful.

Randy, I hope the celebration of your day is just what you love best. I'm celebrating this week too. Maybe we're twins.  NOT! I've got a couple of decades on  you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So good reading all your comments. I think I&#8217;m beginning to get a feel for your different personalities. It would be fun to meet face to face, but impractical, so for the time being, everyone, keep writing, keep sharing, keep being thankful.</p>
<p>Randy, I hope the celebration of your day is just what you love best. I&#8217;m celebrating this week too. Maybe we&#8217;re twins.  NOT! I&#8217;ve got a couple of decades on  you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vennessa</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3157</link>
		<author>Vennessa</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Thanksgiving, all.

And Happy Birthday, Randy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Thanksgiving, all.</p>
<p>And Happy Birthday, Randy.</p>
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		<title>By: ML Eqatin</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3161</link>
		<author>ML Eqatin</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Birthday, Randy. Happy thanksgiving all.
This for Davalynn: I do that too, and I have always considered it a gift. Once in college I took an intensive Shakespeare course, and in two weeks I sounded like the King James Bible. If that natural mimicry runs through your brain, use it to tune your writing. It does get cumbersome; I can't read any wildly different styles while I'm writing because they get all muddled in. But sometimes I will mentally reference two or three books when my different characters come to mind, so that all the dialogue doesn't sound like the same person thinking.
Oops, I see that it also creeps into my spelling. Been exercising the British inflection lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday, Randy. Happy thanksgiving all.<br />
This for Davalynn: I do that too, and I have always considered it a gift. Once in college I took an intensive Shakespeare course, and in two weeks I sounded like the King James Bible. If that natural mimicry runs through your brain, use it to tune your writing. It does get cumbersome; I can&#8217;t read any wildly different styles while I&#8217;m writing because they get all muddled in. But sometimes I will mentally reference two or three books when my different characters come to mind, so that all the dialogue doesn&#8217;t sound like the same person thinking.<br />
Oops, I see that it also creeps into my spelling. Been exercising the British inflection lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/blog/2007/11/20/wrapping-up-self-editing/#comment-3175</link>
		<author>Donna</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Birthday Randy, belated if I missed it. And Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Birthday Randy, belated if I missed it. And Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!</p>
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